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gerri: as you are implyg, the taxes, the debt tax sores after january 1 if nothing happens. >> monster. gerri: absolutely frightening. to you, you can see how people arreacting in the heartland to this. we're seeing reports every single d about people whoare no upping the ante to charity because they're worrd that their charitable donation will be worth less. companies are paying dividend like to have not seen in december. it seems to me like the resof the world is ahead of congress. washingtons in the rearview see, and everybody else is getting ahead of them. >> right. i say that's like every other day in america whe the rest of the world as head of congress. [laughter] gerri: how is this different? [laughter] >> i think that's right. i think what we're seeing in public is a little bit different from all rehearsing in private. what you're lily to see is republicans agree to some kind of decoupling of the tax rate issue, whether the do it and this proposal that has ben floated thathey vote present and let the president and democrats on the issue or whether they free up -- hether john b
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lauren: we talked taxes. now let's former cbo director says these cuts fail to control the greatest deficit challenge, federal health care spending. >> the future path of mandatory has been clear for a decade now. it is largely driven by health care costs and baby boom and every cbo director come to the same conclusion. you can't grow your way out of it. you can not tax your way out of it. you must change these programs. >> democrats argue if the government cuts too much spending the economy will slow further. back to you. david: rich edson, thank you very much, rich. lauren: with all the uncertainty surrounding fiscal cliff should you invest differently right now? david: one economist says investors have to look beyond the fiscal crisis. we have senior economist at oppenheimer fund joins us now. more than that, what you say you've got the perfect split. -p60/40, 60 being equities and 40 being dot, dot, dot, something else. how do you devise, some people are gold bugs say it is all gold. cash bugs, say you ha
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name, and, now, the tax cuts are good. how can this be? it's interesting, isn't it? that's all for us. have a great weekend. we'll see you monday. good night from new ♪ gerri: tonight, did president obama break the law? some in the senate say yes, and now the cases in front of a judge. we will have a heated debate. with more than a million charities and the u.s. alone, how did you find the best one? we have you covered. "welcome to "the willis report." hello, everybody. i'm gerri willis. toght no progress on the fiscal cliff as democrats and republicans trade barbs over the issue. one group of americans is finding a wayhrough this regardless of congress and the president. small-business owners in this country are preparing to hire. jo me now, chief u.s. economist for i may just pull one side. heart of america group founder, and meer of the jobs creation alliance and actual job creators in this country who say their voices not being heard in this office took with debate. also with us from the weekly standard, steven haze.
name, and, now, the tax cuts are good. how can this be? it's interesting, isn't it? that's all for us. have a great weekend. we'll see you monday. good night from new ♪ gerri: tonight, did president obama break the law? some in the senate say yes, and now the cases in front of a judge. we will have a heated debate. with more than a million charities and the u.s. alone, how did you find the best one? we have you covered. "welcome to "the willis report." hello, everybody. i'm...
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good idea it is it not a matterf reducing the deficit because in congress we have people extending tax cuts that further blow a hole in the debt ceiling. >> i don't wt to be cruel, christian. i don't want to be curt. everydollar comes back a a $1.90 a. forget about the stock market and investing and put our money in unemployment benefits. its it resting on a complete fallacy of economics that conequals wealth. it is the same that pelosi and you. cash for clunkers and house stimulus . shov ready stimulus jobbings. >> johthon why don't you listeto mark sand zandy of moody who advised john mccain's presidential anything. it is nhing to do with a progressive position it is facts and common sense. >> that'slet numbers there. john layfield. what do you make of all of this. >> i thin mk zandy is the wrong guy to wrote. christian this is good stimulus but not how you do stimulus. when you give people $300 that center a family and house to support. they have to spend that money and i disagree that americans are apathetic and lazy. they want jobs. you can find a person who doesn' want a job, you
good idea it is it not a matterf reducing the deficit because in congress we have people extending tax cuts that further blow a hole in the debt ceiling. >> i don't wt to be cruel, christian. i don't want to be curt. everydollar comes back a a $1.90 a. forget about the stock market and investing and put our money in unemployment benefits. its it resting on a complete fallacy of economics that conequals wealth. it is the same that pelosi and you. cash for clunkers and house stimulus . shov...
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two wars and bush tax cuts. melissa: we afree on that. >> bush tax cuts. melissa: we have spent way too much. this plan doesn't basically reform entitlement spending. we don't get our spending, with any of these three plans. even going over the cliff we don't get the spending in order. i will give you the last word. then we go on. >> the issue with the republicans they're losing this. they're losing the argument, the debate, they're losing everything. what we need to do is, to respond to the question, what do we do now in three weeks? let's go ahead and give 98% of the american people a tax cut. none of us are ignoring the viability and importance of looking at entitlement reform as it relates to savings, getting rid of waste fraud and abuse and other aspects. i will not tolerate increase in eligibility or raising the age but what republicans are doing is, they are putting the issue on taxes and they're not telling the american people that the enlightment reform and tax reform is an issue or issues that can be discussed in 2013 in deliberative manner liste
two wars and bush tax cuts. melissa: we afree on that. >> bush tax cuts. melissa: we have spent way too much. this plan doesn't basically reform entitlement spending. we don't get our spending, with any of these three plans. even going over the cliff we don't get the spending in order. i will give you the last word. then we go on. >> the issue with the republicans they're losing this. they're losing the argument, the debate, they're losing everything. what we need to do is, to...
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up in the estate tax goes up. basically, we could be looking at a private stimulus package happening. >> you are talking about transferring 25 million-dollar houses from one rich person to another, right? >> you are buying stuff back and forth. the parents to give that to their kids. the estate tax is 35% on everything over $5 million and agosta 55%. anything over $1 million. it is horrible. melissa: dennis needs a break after running the 12 flights of stairs. this time this item is for christmas. this starbucks card will set you back $450. the card itself costs $50, then the card itself is $450 for the gift card. you cannot buy them at the store coming have to give them from gil.com. >> of i spent $450, it will be almost a full pair of christian louis vuitton shoes. i'm not sure they are seen holding this card. >> a person is going to say my gold card -- what happens if you violate 10 cups of coffee, do you geta gold card membership? >> the highest profit margin will be on the copy. how much is that slipups stain
up in the estate tax goes up. basically, we could be looking at a private stimulus package happening. >> you are talking about transferring 25 million-dollar houses from one rich person to another, right? >> you are buying stuff back and forth. the parents to give that to their kids. the estate tax is 35% on everything over $5 million and agosta 55%. anything over $1 million. it is horrible. melissa: dennis needs a break after running the 12 flights of stairs. this time this item is...
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. >>> in an age where computers can edit your home videos while doing your taxes and sending sushi delivery to your front door, it is surprising to find someone doing anything the time consuming low-tech way. especially when that something is creating a spongebob squarepants christmas special. so, here's abc's neal karlinsky. >> okay, rudolph! full power! >> reporter: if you ever watched that iconic '60s era "rue doll the rez nosed reindeer christmas special" aptd thought, i would do that -- >> you wouldn't mind my red nose? >> reporter: hold that thought. these are the grownups who turned a childhood obsession with stop motion films into a business. >> you're able to shoot maybe 1 a 0 frames in a day, 100 frames. and it's 24 frames for every second. so -- it's slow, but when you're animating, you are just kind of in the zone. it's this zen process. >> reporter: man, i hope so. this is tedious. this is like the definition of tedious. >> reporter: seamus, mark and chris are the founders of screen novelties, a company that specializes in stop motion animating. and which has been tapped to tur
. >>> in an age where computers can edit your home videos while doing your taxes and sending sushi delivery to your front door, it is surprising to find someone doing anything the time consuming low-tech way. especially when that something is creating a spongebob squarepants christmas special. so, here's abc's neal karlinsky. >> okay, rudolph! full power! >> reporter: if you ever watched that iconic '60s era "rue doll the rez nosed reindeer christmas special" aptd...
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house republicans would allow a vote on extending the bush middle class tax cuts. that bill already passed in august in the senate. and offer the president nothing more. no extension to the debt ceiling, nothing on unemployment, nothing on loopholes. congress would recess for the holidays and the president would face a big battle early in the year over the debt ceiling. two republican officials tell me this is becoming the most likely scenario. "the new york times" added more detail including this amazing quote from rep michael c. burgess of texas. "there's always better ground, but we have to get there." in this case the better ground is exchanging the threat of a congressionally induced recession for the threat of a congressionally induced global financial crisis combined with recession. that, that is your better ground? that's a big plan? it's not -- it's not better ground for the economy. and, frankly, i find it difficult to see how it's better political ground even for the gop. i figured, i didn't get it. so i figured this was beyond my small political brain t
house republicans would allow a vote on extending the bush middle class tax cuts. that bill already passed in august in the senate. and offer the president nothing more. no extension to the debt ceiling, nothing on unemployment, nothing on loopholes. congress would recess for the holidays and the president would face a big battle early in the year over the debt ceiling. two republican officials tell me this is becoming the most likely scenario. "the new york times" added more detail...
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they sent her a tax bill for $300,000. they wouldn't do that to you and your wonderful wife and they wouldn't do that to other straight couples in this country. it's not fair. >> let's go to -- let's get revolutiona revolutionary. we only have a few minutes. wonder looking at justice kennedy maybe because he's irish, i'm just kidding, there's something about him i find very interesting. >> and from california. >> he's from california. if you look at the majority opinion in the case involving lawrence texas which was about outlawing or basically declaring sodomy -- anti-sodomy laws unconstitutional, he says not only in that court decision you can't deny a person's liberty in these cases to engage in intimate conduct but it's about something bigger. marriage is is not about having constant sex, it's about having a loving relationship. it's about people. >> right. >> not organs. let me -- >> it's about families. >> okay. you tell it your way. if it gets down to questions of liberty and equal protection of the law, fundamental
they sent her a tax bill for $300,000. they wouldn't do that to you and your wonderful wife and they wouldn't do that to other straight couples in this country. it's not fair. >> let's go to -- let's get revolutiona revolutionary. we only have a few minutes. wonder looking at justice kennedy maybe because he's irish, i'm just kidding, there's something about him i find very interesting. >> and from california. >> he's from california. if you look at the majority opinion in the...
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that tax code a little more progressive. you will have given a little more pain relative to everyone else to the top 2%. that's an important principle i think because this economic downturn has hurt the 98% so much more than the rich. i think it's really important to stay with what the president ran on, the 250 and above because, look, if they don't make a deal, it's going to happen anyway. republicans don't have any room to maneuver it up to $500,000. it's going to happen anyway. >> let's look at this new poll. shows raising tacks on the rich is overwhelmingly popular. no surprise there. 60% of the country favor raising taxes on house holds making $250,000 or more. 38% oppose it. >> yeah. >> i was thinking about 38 thrs. only 2% of the 38% get something out of it. 36% don't. >> i really don't think people who make $250,000 a year, a family of four $250,000 a year of annual income or adjusted gross income is rich. >> depends where you live. >> right. >> and very few people really make that. >> oh, it does. >> take that numbe
that tax code a little more progressive. you will have given a little more pain relative to everyone else to the top 2%. that's an important principle i think because this economic downturn has hurt the 98% so much more than the rich. i think it's really important to stay with what the president ran on, the 250 and above because, look, if they don't make a deal, it's going to happen anyway. republicans don't have any room to maneuver it up to $500,000. it's going to happen anyway. >>...
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i think the market has digested a bit that tax rates will go up. it's just a matter of how much spending are we going to cut to make this a market between the democrats and republicans. >> does monetary policy hurt or help the banks? keeping rates as low as they are, it's tough to make a buck the traditional way of lending and spending, right? >> i'm going to be a two-armed economist because i can't said on the other hand. there's two things that are very important. first of all, credit in commercial real estate is phenomenal. cap rates are really low. so the fact that rates are as low as they are has allowed commercial real estate not to fall into the abyss. if commercial real estate had to refi at high rates, we would have had another problem. the other problem is the fact margins are getting squeezed at these banks. credit quality is better. >> that's where the money comes from. >> yeah, fees. by the way, you can eat these loan loss reserves. citi still has close to $10 billion in reserves. they've not used them. >> that's interesting. >> these
i think the market has digested a bit that tax rates will go up. it's just a matter of how much spending are we going to cut to make this a market between the democrats and republicans. >> does monetary policy hurt or help the banks? keeping rates as low as they are, it's tough to make a buck the traditional way of lending and spending, right? >> i'm going to be a two-armed economist because i can't said on the other hand. there's two things that are very important. first of all,...
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taxes, you have been paid sales taxes or hidden taxes, so in the end in big states, people will be paying 60 -- a minimum of 60 cents of every dollar they make to the government. and i ask you, after every american is finished paying their fair share, how much of every dollar should they be allowed to keep, juan? and i want a direct answer. don't dodge, don't duck. what is fair? >> i don't duck. i always am straight with you, sean because i think you deserve an honest answer. number one, we are talking about federal taxation. if you want to have a argument with your county or city government, new york city and westchester county or long island go have it. >> you are not answering. >> but if you are talking about federal tax, right i'm saying to you i between between 35 and 39 is totally good. >> but that's not addressing it. wait a second. this is not a small issue. after somebody pace their federal, their state, their social security, their property, their car tax, their sales tax, after they are done giving the government their fair share, state, local, federal, what is fair? give me a
taxes, you have been paid sales taxes or hidden taxes, so in the end in big states, people will be paying 60 -- a minimum of 60 cents of every dollar they make to the government. and i ask you, after every american is finished paying their fair share, how much of every dollar should they be allowed to keep, juan? and i want a direct answer. don't dodge, don't duck. what is fair? >> i don't duck. i always am straight with you, sean because i think you deserve an honest answer. number one,...
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what that really means is all tax rates on all americans go back up because the tax rates were brought down in 2001 and 2003. i don't support that. i don't think that's a great idea. it would slow down the economy. >> when you look at economist's evaluations, it would slouw dow the economy. it would. there's no question about it. but if the problem is that we have a lot of debt and there has to be some pain whether it be in cuts or the form of higher tax revenues, it means there has to be some pain. $2.8 trillion. that's 17% of our debt wiped out overnight. if you're worried about the debt, how can't you look at that seriously? >> well, the reason i would say it's not going to be 17% of our debt on that because right now, we're running a trillion dollar deficit year single year. if we went back to zero, we're rebalanced. right now with the fourth year in a row, that deficit and debt continues to climb. so it doesn't really wipe it out and the challenge of it is what does that do to the overall economy. we're not just dealing with one tax increase as well. a lot of people lose track of
what that really means is all tax rates on all americans go back up because the tax rates were brought down in 2001 and 2003. i don't support that. i don't think that's a great idea. it would slow down the economy. >> when you look at economist's evaluations, it would slouw dow the economy. it would. there's no question about it. but if the problem is that we have a lot of debt and there has to be some pain whether it be in cuts or the form of higher tax revenues, it means there has to be...
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keep the rest of my taxes for me. schools, public safety, the roads, parks, libraries, public transportation, all went into decline. the rich people didn't care. they said everyone gets what they deserve. ordinary people wondered why rich people needed so much money. the 1% said don. this is good for you, too, because it will trickle down from us to you. >> urinating on people. classy image. doesn't get much worse than that. joining me with reaction, tucker carlson and kiersten powers from the daily beast. it goes on seven minutes long, kiersten, and i thought of past pop begapropaganda. at the end of this, somebody watches this, they get indoctrinated. they really begin to believe that rich people are evil. did you get that feeling? it was that bad to me. >> it was pretty bad. i have to say even i found it offensive. >> even i, yeah. >> yeah. no. look, it goes a little too far. i think you can certainly make an argument that there are rich people that are indifferent to poor people, but i don't think that you could s
keep the rest of my taxes for me. schools, public safety, the roads, parks, libraries, public transportation, all went into decline. the rich people didn't care. they said everyone gets what they deserve. ordinary people wondered why rich people needed so much money. the 1% said don. this is good for you, too, because it will trickle down from us to you. >> urinating on people. classy image. doesn't get much worse than that. joining me with reaction, tucker carlson and kiersten powers...
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why double tax capital? anyway, thank you, danielle hughes, we appreciate it. >>> there is a major stir tonight over a cartoon narrated by actor ed asner. check it out. >> over time, rich people decided they weren't rich enough, so they came up with ways to get richer. the first way was to tax cuts. they said why should i care about other nonrich people? >> all right, this here is just an attack on free enterprise. shame on mr. asner, who's a good actor. it's an attack on success. it's an attack on capital itch. it's also an attack on good taste, although we didn't show the most vulgar part. where does a successful actor like this get off saying this kind of thing? what does he know about capitalism anyway as he makes his bucks, and by the way, this entire cartoon was sponsored by the teachers union. what a shocking surprise there. they, too, higher taxes on the rich, knock down free market capitalism, go up against free enterprise. you know, when is this left wing stuff going to end? i guess the answer is n
why double tax capital? anyway, thank you, danielle hughes, we appreciate it. >>> there is a major stir tonight over a cartoon narrated by actor ed asner. check it out. >> over time, rich people decided they weren't rich enough, so they came up with ways to get richer. the first way was to tax cuts. they said why should i care about other nonrich people? >> all right, this here is just an attack on free enterprise. shame on mr. asner, who's a good actor. it's an attack on...
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we got four bad years of regulation taxes, he wants to add higher taxes to that. tea party two is going to dwarf tea party one if obama pushes us off the cliff. >> there's a doctor strang love. how many republicans will be willing to stand up to that threat. david corn is here to talk about it, the washington bureau chief for mother joins and the author of "47 percent" he's a member of the gridiron society and john feehery is a republican strategist. grover, you're playing defense here. one man elected to nothing. the fact that saxby chambliss comes up, i don't have to live up to some pledge i made 20 years ago and calls up and has grover on the phone going through the transcript of what he said and he's apologizing for each segment as it. what's going on? a senator has to kiss butt to this guy? >> i have known grover for a long time and i like him and he representing -- >> you're afraid of him too. >> i'm not afraid of him. he represents a cause and he's been amazingly successful because taxes have gone down for a long time because of grover. what do we nou becau
we got four bad years of regulation taxes, he wants to add higher taxes to that. tea party two is going to dwarf tea party one if obama pushes us off the cliff. >> there's a doctor strang love. how many republicans will be willing to stand up to that threat. david corn is here to talk about it, the washington bureau chief for mother joins and the author of "47 percent" he's a member of the gridiron society and john feehery is a republican strategist. grover, you're playing...
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>> it avoids the tax side of the fiscal cliff. and most of the cuts in spending, except for defense and the president sees no interest in having a strong defense and we'll litigate that next year and there are opportunities to debate the spending, defense and entitlement issues next year, get the tax issue off the table, the weakest one for the republicans and let the president own it -- >> end with a wimper, not a bang. >> yes, could be. >> chris: there you go, see you next week, don't forget, check out panel plus where our group picks up right with the discussion on our web site, foxnewssunday.com and we'll post the video before noon eastern time and follow us on twitter. @foxnewssunday. this program note: tune into fox news channel tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern for "fly me to the moon" anchored by neil cavuto it marks the 40th anniversary of the last time man walked on the lunar surface. up next on "final thoughts." about my best friend. ♪ i'm a conservative investor. i invest in what i know. i turned 65 last week. i'm getting
>> it avoids the tax side of the fiscal cliff. and most of the cuts in spending, except for defense and the president sees no interest in having a strong defense and we'll litigate that next year and there are opportunities to debate the spending, defense and entitlement issues next year, get the tax issue off the table, the weakest one for the republicans and let the president own it -- >> end with a wimper, not a bang. >> yes, could be. >> chris: there you go, see you...
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he spoke of the benefits of cutting taxes. president obama, i hope you're watching this. >> this can be the most important step we could take to prevent another recession. that is the right time to make tax cuts both for your family budget and the national budget. resulting from a permanent basic reform and reduction in our rate structure, a creative tax cut creating more jobs and income and eventually more revenue. it will include an across the the board top to bottom cut in both corporate and personal income taxes. the billions of dollars this bill will place in the hands of the consumer, and our businessmen, will have both immediate and permanent benefits to our economy. every dollar released from taxation that is spent or invested will help create a new job and a new salary and these new jobs and new salaries can create other jobs and other salaries. >> right. that is the message that president obama needs to hear. unfortunately, there's growing evidence to indicate that he's not interested in striking any deal at all. now
he spoke of the benefits of cutting taxes. president obama, i hope you're watching this. >> this can be the most important step we could take to prevent another recession. that is the right time to make tax cuts both for your family budget and the national budget. resulting from a permanent basic reform and reduction in our rate structure, a creative tax cut creating more jobs and income and eventually more revenue. it will include an across the the board top to bottom cut in both...
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you do the makth, that comes ou to $520 a week before taxes, $26,000 for the year. if you can't live on that, how are you living on unemployment at $450 or $500 a week? for a lot of manufacturers, they're frustrated that they can't bring people $13 an hour, then walk them up the pay scale to $20 or $25 an hour. >> phil will join me in this conversation. mercedes-benz usa posting an all-time sales record with november sales of over 32,000 units. joining us in the "power lunch" exclusive, steve canyon, mercedes-benz usa's president and ceo. phil will pick up on the auto questions but i'd like to talk to you about the economy in general. your company has such an interesting footprint in the united states. you are hitting an all-time sales record, yet people are still worried about the economy. tell us how business is and how you view the economy right now. >> business for us is great. we're going to set an all-time record. in fact we'll finally surpass our all-time high in 2007. in 2007 just before the recession, that's when the auto market was around 17 million units.
you do the makth, that comes ou to $520 a week before taxes, $26,000 for the year. if you can't live on that, how are you living on unemployment at $450 or $500 a week? for a lot of manufacturers, they're frustrated that they can't bring people $13 an hour, then walk them up the pay scale to $20 or $25 an hour. >> phil will join me in this conversation. mercedes-benz usa posting an all-time sales record with november sales of over 32,000 units. joining us in the "power lunch"...
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means everybody's taxes go up, but if the president has his way, taxes are going to go up on those very wealthy folks making over 200,000, but most are small businesses filing a subchapter s companies, about 88% of net small business income will be for these taxes when we're depending on them to create two-thirds of the new jobs. boehner's trying to mitigate that mess. i wish him luck. something's going to f to have to give. >> from everything i've heard is that we are realistically, there's two options for country. one, go over the cliff. the other, extend the bush tax cuts for the 98% of americans. everyone who makes under $200,000 a year if they're single. those seem to be the two choices. between those, which do you pick? >> but, if we do that and raise the taxes on those small businesses we were just talking about, according to the congressional budget office, that's going to be about 200,000 american families are going to be out of work next year and that's the low estimate. young is estimating about 700,000 more unemployed. that's a lot of hurt for the middle class, so this is a
means everybody's taxes go up, but if the president has his way, taxes are going to go up on those very wealthy folks making over 200,000, but most are small businesses filing a subchapter s companies, about 88% of net small business income will be for these taxes when we're depending on them to create two-thirds of the new jobs. boehner's trying to mitigate that mess. i wish him luck. something's going to f to have to give. >> from everything i've heard is that we are realistically,...
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no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. girl: well, inside the brewer, there's a giant staircase, and the room is filled with all these different kinds of coffee. actually, i just press this button. brew what you love, simply. keurig. ♪ >> this is what the judicial system is all about. it is to take care of the minority when they are being oppressed. >> the vast majority of states, four out of five states, the people have chosen to either vote themselves, or their elected representatives, to stick with traditional marriage. >> chris: two views on the supreme court's decision to wade into the debate over same sex marriage, it is time or our sunday group, bill kristol of the weekly standard, kristen powers, kimberley stras
no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. girl: well, inside the brewer, there's a giant staircase, and the room is filled with all...
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his taxes. if we don't do that, the problem is pressure is on spending even more. i think we need to make the defense cuts. we want to minimize human services cuts. the best way to do that is go back to clinton era taxes. i actually have mixed feelings about striking a deal where the rich folks pay more taxes. i think they should pay more taxes, but i actually think going off clithe cliff is a bet solution than just charging people who make a lot of money what they were paying when bill clinton was president. >> the clinton tax rates worked well, and when you look at where we really are today, although the democrats are playing really tough on these top tax rates, they have conceded about 75% of the tax debate to republicans by agreeing with them on all of the otherç rates. >> that is true, aalthough there is a matter of timing. you know, i think part of what you have to look at here is it's really hrepublicans who force this conversation about having deficit reduction right now. we shouldn't
his taxes. if we don't do that, the problem is pressure is on spending even more. i think we need to make the defense cuts. we want to minimize human services cuts. the best way to do that is go back to clinton era taxes. i actually have mixed feelings about striking a deal where the rich folks pay more taxes. i think they should pay more taxes, but i actually think going off clithe cliff is a bet solution than just charging people who make a lot of money what they were paying when bill clinton...
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taxes and spending. what is an agreement that both sides can say yes, we each gave a little? >> the republicans must agree to higher tax rates on well off americans. all the way to the 39.6 that the president, they have to. that's the ticket for admission because the president won the election and campaigned on that. the democrats are going to have to agree. they'll use euphemisms, but agree to cutting medicare and medicaid. and by the way, that means cutting for seniors and poor people and special needs kids. that is not an easy thing to ask anybody to do, let alone the democratic party. which really created these programs. this is going to be awful and gruesome, but 70 for 60 in your poll, 60% of americans want to raise taxes on well off americans. 70% don't want to cut or 80, don't want to cut medicare or medicaid, so the hard stuff is coming. this is the easy stuff. we can't even get the republicans to agree to that. >> we're out of time guys, nice to talk to you as always. i appreciate it. >>> next,
taxes and spending. what is an agreement that both sides can say yes, we each gave a little? >> the republicans must agree to higher tax rates on well off americans. all the way to the 39.6 that the president, they have to. that's the ticket for admission because the president won the election and campaigned on that. the democrats are going to have to agree. they'll use euphemisms, but agree to cutting medicare and medicaid. and by the way, that means cutting for seniors and poor people...
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i'm thinking a carbon tax or wealth tax. >> wall street doesn't want a carbon tax. if you want less of something, tax it. they want cap and trade to play games and not improve the environment. we need a discussion about tax policy but follow the principle, the greater the gain the greater the burden you bare. many conservatives think that. they are running the debate and totally ahistorical. >> i think this is a really important point about what else favors the wealthy in our tax system. one of the critical issues is the system of deductions. today, the way deductions work, the mortgage deductions or charitable deduction. if you give $10,000, you do $10,000 of a mortgage amount in a year. because of the way rates work as a deduction, it's $3500 if you are in the rate of 35%. and $1500 if you are a middle class family in the 15% marginal rate. it's $10,000. same for two families and much bigger value. it's upsidedown. in a tax plan we put forward, we addressed that issue. we transformed everything into an 18% credit. it's fair across the board. deductions are a way,
i'm thinking a carbon tax or wealth tax. >> wall street doesn't want a carbon tax. if you want less of something, tax it. they want cap and trade to play games and not improve the environment. we need a discussion about tax policy but follow the principle, the greater the gain the greater the burden you bare. many conservatives think that. they are running the debate and totally ahistorical. >> i think this is a really important point about what else favors the wealthy in our tax...
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a tax cut delayed i argue is a tax cut avoided. joining me with the republican defense highly tauted fan of the eagles, ed rendell and alex wagner of msnbc's "now." governor, i want you to read what's going on here. first speaker boehner defended the gop's tax proposal saying it does take a bite out of the rich but president obama held firm to tax rate hike on the wealthiest. let's listen to the back and forth. >> revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the sameç people pay moref their money to the federal government without raising tax rates, which we believe will harm our economy. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%, that includes all of you, yes. but not in any way that's going to affect your spending, your lifestyles, or the economy in any significant way. let's make sure that 98% of americans don't see it -- a single dime in tax increases next year. >> so, john boehner, the speaker for the republican party in
a tax cut delayed i argue is a tax cut avoided. joining me with the republican defense highly tauted fan of the eagles, ed rendell and alex wagner of msnbc's "now." governor, i want you to read what's going on here. first speaker boehner defended the gop's tax proposal saying it does take a bite out of the rich but president obama held firm to tax rate hike on the wealthiest. let's listen to the back and forth. >> revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess...
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a promise to end undefined tax deductions and loopholes of some kind at some point maybe next year e. ta da! a fair and balanced middle ground. >> unfortunately, the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. >> yes. balance. here's the amazing part, though. after congressional republicans released their plan yesterday, which gives them everything they want and promises democrats that they might get something undefined that they might want maybe some time in the future. we'll talk about it later. after they put forth that sweet deal, this was the reaction from the beltway's conservative class. this is genius. sad ly, this plan leaves conservatives wanting. wanting what exactly? the declaration that mitt romney is actually president? wanting what? a pony? there's a conservative guy who didn't get his pony. let's add the pony. how are you happy? still not happy? this is a game. republicans put forward an offer in which they get everything they want. democrats get nothing, even though democrats won the election. then the republicans have the people on their own side squawk and
a promise to end undefined tax deductions and loopholes of some kind at some point maybe next year e. ta da! a fair and balanced middle ground. >> unfortunately, the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. >> yes. balance. here's the amazing part, though. after congressional republicans released their plan yesterday, which gives them everything they want and promises democrats that they might get something undefined that they might want maybe some time in the future....
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that is 98% of the american people, getting about 80% of this tax cut shouldn't have their taxes raised. so my suggestion -- it was delivered, by the way, in private and leaked and put in public. but that's fine. i mean, it's certainly what i said. my suggestion was let's take the one area that we agree and take it off the table. >> and -- but just to be clear, though, you actually think -- because this is when i saw your comment what i was so curious about, just from a negotiating standpoint. we had the super committee that failed, now we have the fiscal cliff, right? and if those sorts of deadlines aren't enough to get a deal, if you actually were -- were going to break with your own party or say go ahead, we'll extend them for the middle class, do you actually think that you would be able to negotiate a deal where they didn't go up on the top 2% at the beginning of the year? >> you might be able to negotiate that deal. again, i think a lot of people misunderstand, you know, what's happening with the 98%. number one, i don't think you ever ought to use the american people as, quote, l
that is 98% of the american people, getting about 80% of this tax cut shouldn't have their taxes raised. so my suggestion -- it was delivered, by the way, in private and leaked and put in public. but that's fine. i mean, it's certainly what i said. my suggestion was let's take the one area that we agree and take it off the table. >> and -- but just to be clear, though, you actually think -- because this is when i saw your comment what i was so curious about, just from a negotiating...
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yes, i raise tax rates on the rich or no will not. >> you don't raise tax rates which. stuart: you would love no. and started to push like this. you wouldn't know. >> in not addressing the problem stuart: even though it wishes us over the cliff. >> i would vote no because it does not address the problem. the president is the driver in shea. stuart: i'm sorry. i hate to be like this. i'm being obnoxious i know it, but he would vote no . i will not vote for higher tax rates, even if you knew for absolute certainty that pushes aside with a cleft. >> yes. i would vote no for higher tax rates because our children and grandchildren deserve better. stuart: they agree. >> this is a generational issue. stuart: still obnoxious. we use in any way compromise? for example, would you vote yes on the tax rate increase to 37% on upper income murders to wrap up 39, 37. would you vote yes on that? >> that is not something on the table. we haven't seen is a willingness to address spending, and you have to be able to cut spending. you have to be able to reform the way these entitlement pro
yes, i raise tax rates on the rich or no will not. >> you don't raise tax rates which. stuart: you would love no. and started to push like this. you wouldn't know. >> in not addressing the problem stuart: even though it wishes us over the cliff. >> i would vote no because it does not address the problem. the president is the driver in shea. stuart: i'm sorry. i hate to be like this. i'm being obnoxious i know it, but he would vote no . i will not vote for higher tax rates,...
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it comes down to tax rates. this is a huge sticking point in the stalled negotiations between the president and mr. boehner. obama says the top rate on household income above $250,000 should rise from 35% to 39.6%. boehner wants the rate to stay at 35% or even lower. but what about meeting in the middle? around 37%? listen carefully to the speaker when he was asked today whether that rate could be the answer to this impasse. >> there are a lot of things that are possible. to put the revenue the president seeks on the table. but none of it's going to be possible if the president insists on his position. insists on my way or the highway. >> you hear what he said. a lot of things are possible. that may not sound like much where you're from, but here in washington, it sounds suspiciously like code for, we're making progress. more evidence boehner's democratic counterpart house minority leader nancy pelosi also seems to be softening her language as we head into the weekend. listen. >> what we want to do is protect th
it comes down to tax rates. this is a huge sticking point in the stalled negotiations between the president and mr. boehner. obama says the top rate on household income above $250,000 should rise from 35% to 39.6%. boehner wants the rate to stay at 35% or even lower. but what about meeting in the middle? around 37%? listen carefully to the speaker when he was asked today whether that rate could be the answer to this impasse. >> there are a lot of things that are possible. to put the...
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so we now have one of the lowest corporation tax rates of any major economy in the world. we've just cut it so that it will be 21%, much lower than our competitors. and we've also greatly increased the allowances for small and medium sized firms so they can invest and expand. so where we've been able to help businesses, we've absolutely done that, and we've had very positive reaction from the business community. >> how concerned are you about the aaa rating and the risk that we continue to drift, still need to cut more and boost growth? >> well, we've got to go on commanding the confidence of the world that we can deal with our debts. that is reflected in the very, very low interest rates that we get at the moment for gilts. and of course that's the test, how much are investors will to go pay for our money f debt. and it scheme that failed to solve the problem and funding for lending hasn't delivered yet. we thought we would get more details about a small business bank to help address this market failure. we didn't see that yesterday. and if you look at the wider picture,
so we now have one of the lowest corporation tax rates of any major economy in the world. we've just cut it so that it will be 21%, much lower than our competitors. and we've also greatly increased the allowances for small and medium sized firms so they can invest and expand. so where we've been able to help businesses, we've absolutely done that, and we've had very positive reaction from the business community. >> how concerned are you about the aaa rating and the risk that we continue...
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we're definitely raising taxes, payroll tax holiday is gone. we're raising taxes on everybody. do you want to do that at a time when the economy is fundamentally weak? raise taxes in a weak economy? not a good idea. this report in one hour is going to tell us an awful lot about the underlying state of our economy. >> brian: because of my unique position and what i made witness of hurricane sandy, i know you can not find an electrician. you can not find a plumber. you have to wait in line for a contractor. so anyone that says sandy wiped out jobs, you might have a point. they also gave a lot of jobs and a lot of the fema checks are up to $30,000. and they're building things and hiring people with that money. >> that is true. and next month when we get next -- december's unemployment report, you're going to see a blip up in number of jobs created because of what you're talking about. but in november, jobs were lost because of the hurricane, but not as many as to make up for a fundamentally underlying weak economy. >> brian: do you think that the number today will spur some real l
we're definitely raising taxes, payroll tax holiday is gone. we're raising taxes on everybody. do you want to do that at a time when the economy is fundamentally weak? raise taxes in a weak economy? not a good idea. this report in one hour is going to tell us an awful lot about the underlying state of our economy. >> brian: because of my unique position and what i made witness of hurricane sandy, i know you can not find an electrician. you can not find a plumber. you have to wait in line...
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four consecutive balanced budget with a tax cut, not a tax increase. >> a tiny tax cut compared to the biggest increase in history. >> we don't need to relitigate the 1990s. i mean -- >> but the point here is that this was -- clinton did face the charge that the economy would sour if he increased taxes. but he also cut defense spending over $250 billion over 10 years. and he has said recently, one of the reasons they lost the house in 1994 was that '93 deal. but here, where is the action, bob? >> well, having tried to do some reporting on this, first of all, i think the staff, the white house staff and the house staff, have met or talked five times. it really is down to obama and boehner at the table. i think you can only take a snapshot right now and try to look at what the experience the president has had recently. he won re-election. he's had lots of ceos in to meet with him. and this is interesting. they are telling him, mostly republicans, let's give on rates. it's not a big deal. i think the house leadership may have lost the parade that is supposed to be following them on that.
four consecutive balanced budget with a tax cut, not a tax increase. >> a tiny tax cut compared to the biggest increase in history. >> we don't need to relitigate the 1990s. i mean -- >> but the point here is that this was -- clinton did face the charge that the economy would sour if he increased taxes. but he also cut defense spending over $250 billion over 10 years. and he has said recently, one of the reasons they lost the house in 1994 was that '93 deal. but here, where is...
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be a delayed start to 2013 tax season. in programming its systems, the irs considered the congress would patch the amt. without another patch, the amt could hit as many as 33 million people for the 2012 tax year and it will take them some time to reset all of those forms. >>> and squawk is in session thorn with congressman peter roskam, member of the ways and means committee. thanks for joining us. >> good to be here. >> one of your quotes is that house republicans are prepared to get the yes, but not prepared to get to foolish. and 1.6 you would think is foolish. 800 people think maybe that's doable. could it just look like this, i'll cut to the chase, we go up -- we start at 500,000 and above. we go up 2 percentage points to 37 and do a couple things on deductions that are politically possible to do to get to a trillion dollars. if the president were to come down to a trillion, could we go up -- would republicans go up to a trillion in that. >> i'll give you a straight hans, but inhan answer, but in a minute. let me get
be a delayed start to 2013 tax season. in programming its systems, the irs considered the congress would patch the amt. without another patch, the amt could hit as many as 33 million people for the 2012 tax year and it will take them some time to reset all of those forms. >>> and squawk is in session thorn with congressman peter roskam, member of the ways and means committee. thanks for joining us. >> good to be here. >> one of your quotes is that house republicans are...
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instead of reforming the tax code, the president wants to raise tax rates. even if the president that the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we will continue to see trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. washington has a spending3 problem, not a revenue problem. if the president does not agree with our proposal, i believe he has an obligation to families and small businesses to offer a plan of his own. we are ready and eager to talk to the president about such plan. >> you did speak with the president earlier this week, can you characterize that call. also, it has to be increases in rates for the wealthy or no deal. >> the phone call was pleasant, but more of the same. it is time for the president to be serious and come back with a counter offer. [inaudible question] >> the risk the president wants us to take, increasing tax rates will hit many small businesses that produce 60-70% of the new jobs in our country. that is the whole issue. [inaudible question] >> i think that is reckless talk. [inaudible question] >> listen, raising
instead of reforming the tax code, the president wants to raise tax rates. even if the president that the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we will continue to see trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. washington has a spending3 problem, not a revenue problem. if the president does not agree with our proposal, i believe he has an obligation to families and small businesses to offer a plan of his own. we are ready and eager to talk to the president about such plan....
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raise tax revenue capping deductions, limiting loopholes, not raising tax rates. >> if you listen to the president's entire statement he said as part of a larger tax reform proposal. the fact is you can't get the revenues that are necessary simply by eliminating deductions, unless you want to whack the middle class, and that's not something we can afford to do now. let's also make the point, wolf, that everyone in america will benefit if we extend the tax cuts for, incomes under $250,000. you get the tax cut the first $250,000. but if we're going to deal with the debt problem, we have to do it in a balanced way. raising rates is part of what we need to do. >> one of the things republicans would tell you, when we created the bush tax cuts for everyone, including the wealthy, government revenues went up from 1.8 trillion to 2.5 trillion. >> 2001 and 2003? >> over a four-year period after bush tax cuts were put in place. why not stay with that, keep the economy growing. that's $700 billion in additional revenue. >> the whole thing could collapse. >> it is something we need to figure --
raise tax revenue capping deductions, limiting loopholes, not raising tax rates. >> if you listen to the president's entire statement he said as part of a larger tax reform proposal. the fact is you can't get the revenues that are necessary simply by eliminating deductions, unless you want to whack the middle class, and that's not something we can afford to do now. let's also make the point, wolf, that everyone in america will benefit if we extend the tax cuts for, incomes under $250,000....
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. >> what i've suggested is let's put a down payment on taxes, let's let tax rates on the upper income folks go up. let's let those go up. and then let's set up a process with a time certain at the end of 2013 or the fall of 2013 where we work on tax reform. we look at what loopholes and deductions both democrats and republicans are willing to close. and it is possible that we may be able to lower rates by broadening the base at that point. >> joining me here in washington are congressman tim walls, democrat from minnesota, and karen finney, the former dnc director and msnbc analyst. you introduced today in the house a discharge petition which is a way for normally the minority to try to get, to force a vote on something that the leadership doesn't want. this petition would basically bring to a vote in the house the bill that the senate passed, which is basically the president's version of the tax structure that he would like to see. what's happening with the discharge petition? >> we have 151 people signed on to it. i think we have momentum. >> how many signatures do you need? >> 218.
. >> what i've suggested is let's put a down payment on taxes, let's let tax rates on the upper income folks go up. let's let those go up. and then let's set up a process with a time certain at the end of 2013 or the fall of 2013 where we work on tax reform. we look at what loopholes and deductions both democrats and republicans are willing to close. and it is possible that we may be able to lower rates by broadening the base at that point. >> joining me here in washington are...
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they only say he is in his 30s, lives outside phoenix and walks away with nearly $193 million before taxes. >> i understand he wouldn't want to be identified. >>> coming up, how you can smell like pizza without going to all the trouble of actually eating it. the "ridiculist" is next. they've been committed to putting clients first. helping generations through tough times. good times. never taking a bailout. there when you need them. helping millions of americans over the centuries. the strength of a global financial leader. the heart of a one-to-one relationship. together for your future. ♪ [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- what starts with adding a friend... ♪ ♪ ...could end with adding a close friend. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. i have a cold, and i took nyquil, but i'm still "stubbed" up. [ male announcer ] truth is, nyquil doesn't unstuff your nose. what? [ male announcer ] it doesn't have a decongestant. no way. [ male announcer ] sorry. alka-seltzer plus fights
they only say he is in his 30s, lives outside phoenix and walks away with nearly $193 million before taxes. >> i understand he wouldn't want to be identified. >>> coming up, how you can smell like pizza without going to all the trouble of actually eating it. the "ridiculist" is next. they've been committed to putting clients first. helping generations through tough times. good times. never taking a bailout. there when you need them. helping millions of americans over...
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he says republicans have to accept the, quote: reality as he puts it that tax rates are going up for the richest americans. something g.o.p. leaders are calling a deal breaker. >> we're not insisting on rates just out of spite or out of any kind of partisan bickering. but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. we can probably solve this. it's not that tough. but we need that conceptual break through that says we need to do a balanced plan. >> we made a good faith offer to avert the fiscal crisis and that offer included significant spending cuts reforms and it included additional revenue. and frankly, it was a balanced approach mr. president has been asking for. now we need a response from the white house. >> they have 27 days to prevent automatic tax hikes and spending cuts from kicking in on new year's day. ed henry live at the white house for us. ed, we are hearing the president and house speaker john boehner actually talked by phone not too long ago. >> that's right, harris. we confirmed that there was a phone call between the two leaders this afternoon. no m
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making tax fun. that's interesting. >> that's what "worldwide exchange" can do for you. >> thank you, steve. more to come. still to come, democrats and republicans continue their fight for the upper hand on the fiscal cliff. house speaker john boehner's facing something of a revolt within gop's ranks over his budget plan. we'll have the latest from washington when we come back. >>> talks between the white house and republicans over the fiscal cliff have ran to something of a holt. john boehner dealing with division in the gop's ranks to his bung budget plan. another shanghai surprise. china's mainland market surge nearly 3%. more austerity. plus, austerity measures are hitting european consumers. retail sales in october fall much more than expected. september also revised sharply to the downside. >>> it was a flat day really for european stocks, slightly negative for u.s. stocks yesterday. we are a little bit higher. the dow is currently some 43 points above fair value. the nasdaq is around four poin
making tax fun. that's interesting. >> that's what "worldwide exchange" can do for you. >> thank you, steve. more to come. still to come, democrats and republicans continue their fight for the upper hand on the fiscal cliff. house speaker john boehner's facing something of a revolt within gop's ranks over his budget plan. we'll have the latest from washington when we come back. >>> talks between the white house and republicans over the fiscal cliff have ran to...